This entry is part 13 of 16 in the series Monthly Meetings

We met Sunday May 2 at 5pm at the Blue Moose.

Our Topic of the Evening is Reason:

~Update: It was an interesting evening. I tried my Quirkology experiments, which didn’t go over so well since I didn’t have enough of the methodology and results of the studies they came from (yay for being skeptical, everyone!), Gerald brought in a great textbook and we did a few questions from that, Butch talked about the things that aren’t reasonable that people still believe in – superstitions – and we had a good discussion from that, and David brought in a quote from his favorite book – the Celtic Twilight by Yates, if I recall – which also sparked an interesting discussion.

Then we went to The Lavender Cafe for more great conversation and delicious food.

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4. sound judgment; good sense.
8. to think or argue in a logical manner.
9. to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises.
11. to think through logically, as a problem.

Let’s celebrate reason, common sense and critical thinking by real life experiments or logical puzzles. Everyone bring in a couple real life experiments we can do without disturbing anyone, or a reasoning puzzle we can figure out together. (we might only have time for one, but it would be better to have extras to choose from)

If you bring in an experiment, it might be nice to explain how the scientific method works. Or if you bring in a reasoning puzzle, explain how critical thinking and reasoning works.

For some ideas, you could try these sources:

  • Professor Richard Wiseman has a Friday Puzzle and also does quirky science experiments
    • I’m combing through his book Quirkology for some experiments we can try together
  • Try Googling brain puzzle, reason puzzle, logical thinking puzzle, etc.
  • Try Googling science party experiment, although most of these involve explosions. Not a good idea at the Blue Moose! :P

If you have good ideas to spare, leave comments to share with the rest of us!

Awhile ago some of us shared some podcasts and radio shows that we thought you might enjoy. I have come across a few more that I want to share as well.

  • Curiosity Aroused: Investigation, Exploration and the pursuit of truth. This show is built upon the idea that it’s fun to seek out the answers to life’s questions. This is a Skepchick/Rebecca Watson podcast. This is quite new, so there are only 3 episodes, but it’s interesting and well done.
  • Skeptics With A K: The podcast by the Merseyside Skeptics Society in the UK. This is entertaining, fun and informative. These guys are like SGU in the UK. They are the ones that did the Homeopathy 1023 “overdose” event. It was brilliant.
  • The Skeptics Testament: this is a fairly new podcast (since January of this year). I just found it and am not sure what to make of it, but I wanted to share it with you. It’s a skeptical, critical look at the bible. But I can’t figure out if they are atheists or christians. (Edit: I think they said they are atheists in the 4th episode, or thereabouts). But they seem to know their stuff from what I can tell from the first 2 episodes, and it’s informative.
  • EDIT: I forgot about The Token Skeptic: a weekly look at superstition, paranormal belief and the science behind it all. The podcast covers a range of ideas and issues, stemming from psychology, philosophy and ethics, science, critical thinking, literacy and education.

Edit: Gerald recommended a bunch of podcasts:

  • MonsterTalk: presented by Skeptic Magazine. Critically examines the science behind cryptozoological creatures.
  • Skepticality with Derek and Swoopy. The official podcast of Skeptic Magazine. With interviews and information on science and skepticism.
  • Skeptoid with Brian Dunning: A primer on a single pseudo-scientific or paranormal topic.
  • The Amazing Show with James Randi: a fireside chat.
  • The Skeptic Zone: Australian podcast for Science and Reason. Varied and light-hearted.
  • Skeptically Speaking: Canadian interview-format live radio call-in talk show with host Desiree Schell.
  • The Reality Check: The Ottawa Skeptics talk show podcast.
  • The Pseudo Scientists: the Young Australian Skeptics talk show podcast.
  • Geologic Podcast: A skeptical comedy rant show from rock musician George Hrab. For a mature audience.
  • Audiomartini: A radio program relating to the paranormal from a skeptic’s point of view
  • Afternoon Tea with Richard Wiseman: An interview show hosted by psychologist Richard Wiseman.
  • Are We Alone? SETI’s science and skepticism podcast, with host Seth Shostack. (subscribe through iTunes)
  • Brain Science Podcast: weekly neuroscience show, hosted by physician Ginger Campbell.

If you try these out, let us know what you think! :)

This entry is part 10 of 12 in the series Logic and Critical Thinking

Brian Dunning offers this 4o minute video to introduce critical thinking. From his site he says, “Most people fully accept paranormal and pseudoscientific claims without critique as they are promoted by the mass media. Here Be Dragons offers a toolbox for recognizing and understanding the dangers of pseudoscience, and appreciation for the reality-based benefits offered by real science.”

Thanks, Gerald!

Brent sent me a list of his favorite internet radio stations and podcasts to share with you. I listen to several as well so I will add them below:

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Brent’s Favs:

  • The Center for Inquiry’s Point of Inquiry: Point of Inquiry explores CFI’s three research areas:
    • Pseudoscience and the paranormal (Bigfoot, UFOs, psychics, communication with the dead, cryptozoology, etc.)
    • Alternative medicine (faith healing, homeopathy, “healing touch,” the efficacy of prayer, etc.)
    • Religion, humanism, and secularism (church-state separation, the effects and proper role of religion in society, the future of secularism and nonbelief, etc.)
      Rotating hosts Chris Mooney, Karen Stollznow, and Robert Price bring engaging and thought-provoking interviews and commentary on a broad range of topics to each episode of Point of Inquiry.
  • NPR’s Science Friday: A weekly radio talk show on NPR from 2-4pm on Fridays. Each week, they focus on science topics that are in the news and try to bring an educated, balanced discussion to bear on the scientific issues at hand. Panels of expert guests join Science Friday’s host, Ira Flatow, a veteran science journalist, to discuss science – and to take questions from listeners during the call-in portion of the program.
  • Groks Science Radio Show and Podcast: a weekly science radio program and podcast produced in Chicago, USA and Tokyo, Japan. The show broadcasts on radio stations across the country and can also be heard as a podcast. Each week, the hosts, Dr. Charles Lee and Dr. Frank Ling, take an in-depth look at recent events in the world of science and technology, and examine the effects of recent discoveries on our daily lives.
    Each episode features an interview with a leading scientist, researcher, or industrialist discussing stimulating work in their field. The show often includes a humorous and entertaining segment; plus the world famous question of the week!
  • IEET: Changesurfer Radio: a weekly, syndicated public affairs radio show transmitting a sexy, high-tech vision of a radically democratic future
  • Fast Forward Radio: A convergence of emerging technologies and emerging possibilities is at the heart of this, the greatest period of transformation in human history. Our world is changing in ways that are hard to predict…sometimes even hard to imagine. FastForward Radio is your guide to an astounding future that lies ahead — and that will be here sooner than you think!

Neece’s Favs:

  • SGU: The Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe and a 5 minute weekly podcast at the same place; SGU 5×5: a weekly Science podcast produced by the New England Skeptical Society (NESS) in association with the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) : discussing the latest news and topics from the world of the paranormal, fringe science, and controversial claims from a scientific point of view.
  • Scientific American’s Science Talk (they have other podcasts here): Join host Steve Mirsky each week as he explores the latest developments in science & technology through interviews.
  • Reasonable Doubts (Your Skeptical Guide to Religion): A special focus on counter-apologetics. They provide detailed counter-points to the fallacious logic and blatant misinformation used by religious apologists when attempting to discredit skepticism and provide rational arguments for their dogmas. They also defend the sufficiency of reason, science and naturalistic philosophies to provide a satisfactory and morally compelling understanding of the cosmos, human nature, art and culture. They try to do this all with fair-mindedness and humor. Winner of the Peoples Choice Podcast Award for best religious/inspirational podcast of 2009
  • The Naked Scientists and another podcast, Ask the Naked Scientists: The Naked Scientists are a group of physicians and researchers from Cambridge University who use radio, live lectures, and the Internet to strip science down to its bare essentials, and promote it to the general public. Each week, listeners of all ages and backgrounds tune in on a Sunday evening to hear creator Dr. Chris Smith, together with his entertaining scientist sidekicks, interview renowned scientists and researchers from all over the world and take science questions on any subject live from the listening public.
  • StarTalk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson: a radio show devoted to all things space and is hosted by renowned astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.
  • Mr. Deity (video, not podcast, but you can subscribe through iTunes): a webshow that looks at the every-day life of the creator and everything he must endure as he attempts to manage his creation.

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Tim’s Fav:

Here’s one from Gerald:

  • MonsterTalk. It is all about cryptozoology: bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, etc. It takes a skeptical look at these things and is sponsored by Skeptic Magazine.

Feel free to contribute your favorites!

We are reading  The God Virus for the book club in February. On page 18, Darrel W. Ray describes an experiment. I think I’ve heard of it before, but I thought I’d share it with you because it shows how religion attacks the critical thinking skills of the mind. As Mr. Ray says, it leaves the skill intact for other religions but disables critical thinking about one’s own religion. It really is like a virus of the mind.

Here’s the experiment as explained in the book:

You have a serious conversation with a deeply christian friend. Your friend is intelligent, well educated and knowledgeable. You agree to record the session. The topic is islam. During the session, you discuss that mohammed was a self-appointed prophet and that he claimed he talked to allah and the angels. He wrote a book that he claimed was infallible, and he flew from Jerusalem to heaven on a horse.

During the conversation, you agree that mohammed was probably delusional to think he could talk to god. You agree that the koran was clearly written by mohammed and not allah. It is ludicrous for him to claim that he is the last prophet and that all others are false. Neither you nor your friend can believe that he flew to heaven, let alone on a horse. It all sounds too crazy, and you both agree it is difficult to see how someone could believe such a religion. At the end of the conversation, you say that muslims did not choose their religion; they were born into it. Anyone who was exposed to both christianity and islam would see that christianity is the true religion. Read the rest of this entry »

128837916282606782The other day I got an email from an atheist couple who have two kids, one 9 and one 10. They asked me for information regarding websites or literature that might deal with “god pressure” for kids at school. This would be the 4th and 5th grade. Apparently kids at their school are proselytizing and mocking these 2 kids for not believing.

The parents don’t want their kids to feel like freaks and also want to help them counter the exasperated ‘you don’t believe in god!’ remarks. Sam, the father, admits that it can be lonely to not believe in god sometimes. I understand. I feel that way too, although not as much as before I belonged to Morgantown Atheists.

Diane, the mother, says they are open to ideas and suggestions. She says they have friends who aren’t religious but still believe in god. It’s not the same thing.

Seeing as how only about 10% of the population would go so far as to actually use the dreaded A-word, it can be isolating to be godless in a sea of believers. As I’ve mentioned, I still keep my atheism to myself when around Butch’s family. Some of them know we’re atheists but it’s never been brought up or mentioned. This means that a huge part of what I spend my time thinking about and being an activist over can’t be talked about when I spend time with others. It’s kind of lonely, in a way. Read the rest of this entry »

This entry is part 9 of 12 in the series Logic and Critical Thinking

funny-pictures-basement-cat-has-many-horsemenOMG, yo! Hide the good silver! Run for your lives! The Mayans say the world will end December 21, 2012 and that’s only 2 years and a month away! Whatever will we do?!

Of course the Mayans themselves didn’t survive till 2012, so maybe they aren’t the best group to ask about such things. :P

Recently a friend of mine mentioned the 2012 phenomenon as if it were true. Unfortunately I didn’t have the hard facts at my disposal so I told him it’s not going to happen and left it at that. But I thought I’d look up some more information so when your mother starts talking about the end of the world, you will have some facts to back you up.

Lucky for me, NASA and Wikipedia have pages to explain where the concept came from and what scientific basis there is for it (none, thank you very much).

Some people seem to love the idea of predicting cataclysmic events and the destruction of the world. Of course, since we’re still here, so far they have been wrong every time. That’s something in itself to consider.

NASA explains it all very succinctly in FAQ form:

Q: Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.
A: Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012. Read the rest of this entry »

egg hatHere at Morgantown Atheists, we want to help you to think more critically. One way to do that is to learn to notice logical fallacies in communication.

We are slowly going through the main logical fallacies, with examples and also with how to refute them. You can use this in all aspects of your life, whether it be science vs. pseudo-science, religion vs. atheism or agnosticism, the daily assault of advertising and consumerism, or simply to put your own belief systems to the test.

This page will have an introduction to each one. Click the title of the fallacy to read the full article.

First, some definitions:

  • Logical: Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner. Reasonable.
  • Fallacy: A deceptive, misleading or false notion or belief. A misleading or unsound argument.

Another thing that is really important as we get started is to keep in mind the difference between Fact versus Opinion, and the difference between Objective versus Subjective.

  • Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth. Something known to exist or to have happened. Something known to be true.
  • Opinion: a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Pointing out that an issue is actually not based on fact, but rather an opinion, can end an argument that can never be solved. If I say that I make the best cookies in the world, that isn’t based on fact, simply my own opinion.

  • Objective: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased. Of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.
  • Subjective: existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to Objective)

Our Resources:

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Carl SaganThe Fine Art of Baloney Detection

Information from Carl Sagan and Michael Shermer (video) about how to detect baloney with skeptical thinking.

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Taxonomy of the Logical Fallacies

This is from Fallacy Files. You can see a chart showing the relationships of all of the fallacies. This can be helpful in getting to know the categories and how fallacies are similar.

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funny-pictures-cat-has-had-many-victimsHow To Argue

There is actually a right way and lots of wrong ways to have a discussion or argument. The Skeptic’s Guide 5×5 did an episode on how to argue. This is a fairly close transcript of the podcast.
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Correlation and Causation

Just because two events occur together does not mean that one caused the other. Or just because two variables have a connection does not automatically imply that one causes the other.

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Appeal to Emotion

This logical fallacy uses emotion to prove a point without resorting to actual facts.

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funny-pictures-cat-has-glassesCherry-Picking

This logical fallacy occurs when you count the hits and ignore the misses. It is used when only certain quotes, data, studies or research are used to support an argument while ignoring other valid and credible quotes, data, studies and research. In my personal experience, cherry-picking is rampant in the religious population.

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Cross-posted from Heaving Dead Cats with links to articles on Morgantown Atheists.

This entry is part 2 of 12 in the series Logic and Critical Thinking

I have a treat for you. The other day I posted a horrid creationism video by John Morris Pendleton and suggested that we practice pointing out logical fallacies by refuting the lies and nonsense he was spewing forth. But I could barely handle watching the video myself, never mind muddle through it point by point, so I’m sure it’s similar for you.

Still, I think there’s validity to refuting such arguments as practice. According to a recent Gallup poll, only 39% of Americans say they believe in the theory of evolution, while 1/4 say they do not believe in the theory.

Lucky for us, Brent told me about a set of videos that go through Pendleton’s step by step and refute them. How awesome!

Here is the first one of 4. (about 10 minutes long):

For the rest of the videos, click here. Or you can probably get them through the web page of this video.

Cross-posted from Heaving Dead Cats

This entry is part 1 of 12 in the series Logic and Critical Thinking

Here is a video sent to me by an atheist who asked for help in refuting it. It was sent to him by an “arrogant christian”.  I’ll warn you, it’s almost 27 minutes long and incredibly irritating to watch. But I’m sharing it with you because we are working on logical fallacies for our next meeting, as well as reading Nonsense by Robert Gula for the Book Club.

It would be awesome if we all could comment or email Neece with refutations against all the lies and logical fallacies used. If you send in an email, I’ll post it to share with everyone. Or comment below and we can all add to it little by little. :)

Cross-posted from Heaving Dead Cats

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